Here we are again with Dave Ramsey’s Financial Peace University. This week we are reviewing week 2. If you missed it last week you can go back and read the review of week one.
This week at Financial Peace University was called “relating to money”. I really liked this lesson a lot. Dave talked about getting on the same page with your spouse financially. I was taking notes so that I could write this review and I have a page and a half of scribbles. One note I wrote says “If you agree on spending you agree on values. You will feel like a team, which means a happy marriage. You must work together.” I wanted to stand up and yell in the class “YES!! Are you guys listening to this!! Write that down!” But I didn’t of course.
That’s the jist of this lesson. You must work together. You must work out a budget that works for both of you. You both have to be on board 100%. The payoffs are more than financial. The payoffs and consequences are HUGE. Your marriage is on the line. Your life is on the line. How can you NOT do it??
Dave talked about the Nerds and the Free Spirits. Nerds like making the budget and Free Spirits feel suffocated by it. He talked about having Budget Committee Meetings where you sit down and work the budget out together. He said the Nerd in the family should work out the budget and then present it to the Free Spirit. The Free Spirit can then give their input and make changes.
He also talked about how to teach the kids about money. He talked about not giving the kids an allowance but instead having paid chores they can do. I agree with this point and this is how we do it in our house too. They had a whole section at the end of the video where his kids talked about their upbringing which was very touching.
As much as I was looking forward to the video I even more pleased with the sharing the other people in the class did. Everyone felt a bit more comfortable this week and it was nice to hear their stories. We went around the room and each said what we do for a living and what we were wanting to get out of the class.
There were two couples who I would call typical Dave Ramsey students. This is who I expected to be at this class. They both just received big downgrades in income and are now faced with too much debt and too little income. I’m going to give these family code names so I can talk more about them. I’ll call them… The Pinks and The Blues. (Reservior Dog style code names… yup!)
One of the single ladies, we’ll call her Mrs. Brown, said she just moved here from Germany and wanted to learn about the “American” way of handling money. Which was funny to me because I don’t think Dave Ramsey teaches what would be considered “American Money Techniques”. But maybe she was getting overwhelmed with credit offers and needed a way to deal with it. If so, good for her!
One single lady’s, we’ll call her Mrs. White, parents just died and they had been handling her money for her. She was not especially young either. So I’m curious to know this story. But she came to the class to learn the skills that she should have learned a long time ago.
There was one couple who came in late so I didn’t get to hear their story, but they are very vocal so I’m sure I’ll get plenty of info on them as the class goes on. We’ll call them Mr. and Mrs. Orange.
Best of all, we’ve already had some success in the class. The Blues have already cut their grocery budget in half!! That’s awesome. The Pinks asked specifically what is a reasonable budget for a family of 5? She talked about her in-laws that in her eyes are too frugal. She’s nervous in order to be successful in this money management thing she is going to have to go to extreme frugality. So we talked A LOT about that. The idea being that you have to decide for yourself where you want to spend your money. That as you go through the process of cutting back you will find things that you can cut without any pain, and you will find things that you love and can’t cut. A successful budget isn’t the same for everyone. Your individual priorities will shine through, and that’s great!
Next Week: Cash Flow Planning
I’m sad that I’m going to miss next week because I’ll be at the Financial Bloggers Conference. But it’s a sacrifice I’ll just have to make. I will watch the video of the class online, but I’ll miss out on all the sharing.
When I heard that Dave Ramsey’s Financial Peace University was being taught at my church this year, I was intrigued. I’ve read Dave Ramsey’s books and heard his show on Fox Business channel, but I’ve always found myself wondering exactly what about him and his advice makes people shell out $100 for the thirteen week class? His advice has always sounded simplistic to me and the type of thing that’s easily learned for free. It’s always seemed to me that someone deeply in debt shouldn’t be shelling out $100 for anything, much less something that can be learned for free. I’ve never been able to figure out exactly why he has such a devoted following and what, exactly, people get out of his course that can’t be learned for free elsewhere. To satisfy my curiosity, I signed up.
I didn’t think that I needed to be there for my finances. We do very well and have our money management down to a science. We have all the recommended emergency funds, full insurance, and we’re debt free. But I’m always open to learning new things, so I hoped that I might learn something new. Just one new idea would make the price of admission worth it, as far as I was concerned. If the program turned out to be truly great, then I wanted to know so I could tell others about it and let them know exactly how it could help them. If it wasn’t so great, I wanted to be able to explain to people why they should save their money and look for advice elsewhere.
1. I would approach this course with an open mind. I would try, as much as possible, to pretend that I had never heard any of Dave’s programs before. I would take in everything from a neutral position and be open to being surprised.
2. I would participate in the class. I would not just sit on the sidelines and watch. If there was a chance to ask questions or offer help, I would do it in the spirit of someone who wants to learn and to help others learn. I would not just be a journalistic observer.
3. I would do all of the homework. I knew going in that some of the work would be things I’ve already done. Much of the reading was going to involve things I’ve already read. Many of the activities, like making budgets or doing worksheets are things I’ve done before. No matter. If there was homework to be done, I would do it and not take any shortcuts.
So with my rules in mind, I plunked down the $100, ordered my materials, and headed off to the first class. On the first night we picked up our materials. The materials include a workbook, a copy of Financial Peace Revisited, CD’s of the lessons, the envelope system, and some other doo-dads like tipping cards, forms and worksheets, debit card holders and membership to Dave’s website. After everyone finished ripping into their materials, class began. The first hour is spent watching a video of Dave teaching the weekly lesson. After the video the group breaks up into smaller groups for a more intimate discussion of the lesson.
The lesson for the first week is about saving money in general and, specifically, saving up $1,000 for an emergency fund. The advice is oft-repeated but I can tell that many in the room have never heard of these ideas before. Pay yourself first, make saving a priority, save up to buy things with cash rather than on credit, and put your emergency fund in a safe bank account, not an investment account. There is a brief explanation of compound interest and how it can help to build wealth. I can see most of the people in the room are amazed by his examples, but clearly don’t believe that it can ever work for them. None of this is new to me, so for a minute I am baffled by the ooh’s and ah’s from the audience as every revelation is handed down. As a personal finance writer and someone who is slightly obsessed with money, finance, and frugality, I tend to forget that not everyone “just knows this stuff” and that many people come at it from square one. I vow to try to get more in touch with the person I was before I knew about money so I can better understand my classmates and identify with those who are learning for the first time.
Dave Ramsey Financial Peace University: Week One
Dave Ramsey Financial Peace University: Week Two
Dave Ramsey Financial Peace University: Week Three
Dave Ramsey Financial Peace University: Week Four
Dave Ramsey Financial Peace University: Week Five
Dave Ramsey Financial Peace University: Week Six
Dave Ramsey Financial Peace University: Week Seven
Dave Ramsey Financial Peace University: Week Eight
Dave Ramsey Financial Peace University: Week Nine
Dave Ramsey Financial Peace University: Week Ten
The first point Dave wants us to get is that we need to have an emergency fund to cover life’s unexpected events. Without it, every problem has to go on a credit card. To that end, he wants us to save $1,000 as fast as we can. I understand his point, but find myself thinking that $1,000 isn’t nearly enough. One big car repair, the heat goes out, or the roof needs replacing and that $1,000 is long gone. A thousand dollars is better than nothing, but it’s not enough to cover a big emergency. I was further disappointed that he didn’t really delve deeply into ideas about how to save up that $1,000. He touched on selling things or getting a second job, but other ideas like couponing, cutting services, or other frugal tips that can really help weren’t discussed. I vow to bring this up in small group.
The one part of the video that was interesting to me was his discussion of money being amoral. Too many people get caught up in thinking that money is bad, therefore saving too much must make you a bad person. Dave points out that money isn’t bad, nor is it good. It simply is. It’s what the person does with it that is good or bad. There can be wealthy people who do a lot of good in the world, and wealthy people who are misers. It’s worth remembering that having money is only one part of the equation. It’s what you do with it once you have it that makes you a good or bad person.
We finally break into small groups and, looking around the room, it’s easy to see that everyone is nervous. It’s sort of like hanging out in the waiting room of a psychiatrist’s office and wondering who is really crazy and who’s okay. Everyone is checking each other out, wondering why they’re here. You can practically see the thought bubbles over everyone’s heads. How much money does she have? Is that man in more debt than me? I saw him pull up in a BMW. Can he really afford that? Given that I’m wearing sweats, I wonder what they’re thinking of me.
We go around and introduce ourselves and talk about logistics. We’re led by a couple that has completed FPU and is devoted to following Dave’s message. The introductions take up much of the hour, but near the end a woman across from me asks the question I wanted to ask.
“How are we supposed to come up with $1,000 when we can’t even make ends meet?”
Several people jumped in and a good discussion of ideas ensued. Several people talked about Craigslist for sales, couponing, stockpiling, price matching, saving spare change, reducing or eliminating unnecessary services, and negotiating prices on things like cell phones and cable. People also talked about the money to be saved by eating at home instead of at restaurants and by banking tax refunds (it is tax season, after all) instead of spending them on fun things. Again, there was a lot of surprise among the group about things like price matching and that cable rates can almost always be negotiated. I realized again that things I take for granted are not really common knowledge.
Once the ice was broken, the group really took off. Some people shared their stories of layoffs, pay cuts, and other things gone wrong. No one got too specific, but the group began to get a sense of why certain people are in the class and it got a little more personal. From my early impression, it looks like the small group will be the real meat of this course. Dave will touch on the big ideas, but it will be the small group that will step in and fill in the details and share experiences and real world examples.
Our homework for the week is to fill out the quickie budget form. It is what it says: A very simple, basic budget form that gives you a quick idea of where your money is going and which accounts it’s coming from. This didn’t take long for me, but I can see that someone who has no real knowledge of their finances would have to spend some time on it. However, it would be time well spent since it would provide a foundation for starting to clean up any financial messes. You can’t clean anything up until you know what’s wrong and in this respect the quickie budget is a good start. I think a more complete budget is on the horizon, but this gives a good, non-intimidating start for those who’ve never worked with money before.
We also had to register for Dave’s website. I was really looking forward to that part because I’ve heard a lot about the message boards and the resources. Once I got signed up, I was a little disappointed. The forums were not as extensive or well organized as I had hoped and don’t cover a lot of ground beyond FPU. There are better board communities out there if you’re looking for everyday budgeting and saving ideas. If you’re not a member of FPU you have to pay to join this site. For FPU members free access is limited to the duration of the class. From what I can see at first glance, this isn’t something I would pay for because the content is just too sparse. But, for free, I will make use of it during the course and see what people have to say.
Along with the other homework, we’re to start working on saving up our $1,000. Even though we already have much more than this in savings, I vow to try to come up with $1,000 in additional money as fast as I can, just like everyone else in the class. I want to see how easy or hard this is to do in a short time frame. I’ve got some ideas about a few things I can sell and some ways to bring in some extra money over the next couple of weeks. I’ll let you know how it goes.
I understand that next week’s lesson will be about family relationships and money. This should be interesting since it’s one area where almost everyone has some sort of issue, even if they have a lot of money.
Next: Dave Ramsey Financial Peace University: Week Two
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